Why this conversation matters
Rodrigo has worked with more than 400 SaaS companies and helped drive over $1B in self-serve revenue. Across all of them, he sees the same pattern repeat:
- Activation is treated like a single aha moment
- It’s defined by committee instead of a single owner
- And it’s measured with metrics that don’t reflect real value
The result? Teams argue about definitions while growth quietly stalls.
Activation isn’t a moment but an equation
One of my favorite metaphors from the episode is Rodrigo’s “solar system” analogy.
Activation isn’t a single click or event. It’s a set of critical outcomes users must reach to perceive value. Those outcomes are the planets. The steps between them are the journey.
If users never reach the planets, it doesn’t matter how busy the journey looks.
Why tracking more data doesn’t help
Rodrigo sees this constantly with product analytics tools:
“They just [track] whatever is on the screen. That never works. It just creates a ton of noise.”
Instead of tracking everything, he recommends starting with value, mapping the journey, and instrumenting only the events that prove progress.
And yes… AI can make it worse
One of the most surprising moments: a company added AI and saw activation drop by 20%.
The AI didn’t reduce friction or speed up value. It made the product feel bloated.
If AI doesn’t get users to value faster, it probably doesn’t belong in the activation flow.
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